ADiZzy From United States, joined Jan 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8643 times:
Hey Guys,
I was just wondering if there would be any benefit of YX outfitting its 717 fleet with winglets? I wonder what it would look like? Does anyone have a YX 717 with winglets that they would like to share?
Asuflyer05 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 1543 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8516 times:
I doubt a company like Aviation Partners would invest the money to develop a winglet program for the 717 given the small number of airframes out there.
AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 6587 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8478 times:
Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 1): I doubt a company like Aviation Partners would invest the money to develop a winglet program for the 717 given the small number of airframes out there.
It would be the same reasons why the 734 does not have them.
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KC135TopBoom From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5164 posts, RR: 31 Reply 3, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8425 times:
Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 1): I doubt a company like Aviation Partners would invest the money to develop a winglet program for the 717 given the small number of airframes out there.
But, Boeing could do it, develope winglets or raked wingtips for the B-717, if someone like AirTran asked for it. Don't they have about 75 B-717s (almost half of all B-717s built)?
NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8287 times:
they use thier 717 for most short to med haul flights.. and the extra weight added to the wings wouldnt save any fuel, only burn more. the range on the 717 is only 1700 miles, or less.. i have no idea.. but adding winglets to an aircraft that flights from ATL to SAV just isnt worth it...
Flamant15 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8157 times:
actually the advantage of winglets is not just fuel saving but also engine maintenance decreases. Go to any of the numerous winglet websites and they describe the multiple advantages of winglets, not just fuel saving.
BooDog From United States, joined Nov 2007, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8112 times:
Quoting NASBWI (Reply 5): they use thier 717 for most short to med haul flights.. and the extra weight added to the wings wouldnt save any fuel, only burn more.
exactly. Winglets save a tremendous amount of fuel when at cruise speed/altitude, and burn a little more fuel during the other parts of the trip. It's simple; the longer the flight, the greater the fuel savings.
Floridaflyboy From United States, joined Jun 2006, 1479 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7939 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3): Don't they have about 75 B-717s (almost half of all B-717s built)?
They have 89, I think. It's close to 90 either way. It's over half.
Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 8): Doesn't Southwest have some of them refitted with winglets? Or were those the B737-700 series?
Southwest doesn't have any 734s. THey do have tons of 73Gs with winglets (all of them i believe at this point), and they've started outfitting some of the classic 737s with winglets.
Jeb94 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 510 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7756 times:
Winglets start loosing value as legs get shorter. Sure there is a benefit but the benefit doesn't offset the cost of the mod or the added weight. Also keep in mind that beyong maintenance, Boeing has no interest in investing any money in Douglas products. It'll have to be an outside vendor. Their aren't that many airframes so there isn't a lot of value for someone to develop one. The 717 is already a very efficient aircraft for flying the way it was designed to so there isn't much need for operators to spend the money to modify it.
Adizzy From United States, joined Jan 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5645 times:
I really think they would be benficial. Can anyone photoshop them onto a pciture of a YX 717....I am curious to see what it would look like. Would it look like a big CRJ?
Larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 282 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4306 times:
#13 Alot has happened since the sixties But I don't think we will ever see winglets on a 717, simply because they will increase fuel burn on the short hops they are used for.
G4LASRamper From United States, joined Dec 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4027 times:
G4 was considering winglets for all of its MD-80-somethings, but not the Boeing mod. Very expensive compared to the ones offered by another vendor, the name escapes me at the moment. The mod they were looking at was a small winglet, very much like those on the A-320.
Don't know if G4 is still looking at this. Kind of doubt it since they decided to kill all of their longer routes. It's been two years since I first heard about the possibility and nothing has happened.
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AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 6587 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3967 times:
Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 8): Doesn't Southwest have some of them refitted with winglets? Or were those the B737-700 series?
WN only has the 733's & 73G's. I believe a few of their 733's already have the retrofit done. OPNL would have to confirm this for me so don't quote me on that.
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KPHXFlyer From United States, joined Mar 2008, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3749 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17): WN only has the 733's & 73G's. I believe a few of their 733's already have the retrofit done. OPNL would have to confirm this for me so don't quote me on that.
Don't forget that WN has 25 or so 735s...However, I don't believe any of WN's 735s have the winglets on them for the reason that they are used on the shorter hops (for the most part).
AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 6587 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3456 times:
Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 18): Don't forget that WN has 25 or so 735s...However, I don't believe any of WN's 735s have the winglets on them for the reason that they are used on the shorter hops (for the most part).
I know. There is a reason why I didn't include the 735 because WN isn't planning on throwing winglets on them. I don't think they ever will.
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JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1268 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 15):
Winglets would make it more efficient, though.
Only on long-haul legs. The point others are trying to make is that the added efficiency would be minimal on the short hops the 717 is used for. Hardly justifies the added cost and added weight.
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2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 6563 posts, RR: 49 Reply 21, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2937 times:
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Quoting JBo (Reply 20): The point others are trying to make is that the added efficiency would be minimal on the short hops the 717 is used for.
Understood, but the claim that the DC-9s wing had "the worlds most efficient wing for the size of aircraft" isn't completely accurate. My point was that the wing could still be improved upon.
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It would be the same reasons why the 734 does not have them.
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But I don't think we will ever see winglets on a 717, simply because they will increase fuel burn on the short hops they are used for.
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